I am pasting a discussion on the topic which took place in one of the Forums of PG. Topic was "Indian MBA Colleges increasingly becoming hostile to engineering graduate's application for admission". Here the user "engineersunit" is me. You can guess who won!! Have fun.
This discussion is available at : http://www.pagalguy.com/2010/12/ximb-may-become-a-university-soon-ximb-director/#comments
Rakesh Kumar | #1 December 01, 2010, 7:04 pm “But we’ll continue to give quantitative ability lesser weightage compared to verbal and communication skills and try to reduce the number of engineers.” Very inane statement  I really doubt it’s gonna work!  |
engineersunit | #2 December 01, 2010, 7:29 pm Quote : “But unfortunately all the students who are getting good grades in XAT were engineers and we could not reduce their number last year.” What is unfortunate in that?  but I guess that is a appreciation in disguise. Thanks!! Salute to all the performers. According to me it is wrong to associate the toppers with the engineering degree. The exam is cracked with sheer hard work and determination. Any graduate with these values can do it. |
Abhineet Jain | #3 December 01, 2010, 7:35 pm If you want to decrease the number of engineers, give free credits to non-engineers(like IIML). Otherwise, we will be there and in majority. |
the clueless | #4 December 01, 2010, 7:38 pm It is not the fault of an engineer student that his rival competitors are too lazy to work hard and clear the exam . Besides, the engineers are increasingly doing well in the verbal section as well. So , bottomline , hardwork pays . |
engineersunit | #5 December 01, 2010, 7:49 pm @All Please let us, being of the “Aspirant” category, not be divided on the “Engineering” issue. Every aspirant irrespective of the stream of graduation does hard work, it can be just that the % of applicants may be more from “Engineering” stream. So the throughput is proportionate, visible in the final converts. Also it is very unfortunate on the institute’s part to target the “innocent Engineers” and propagate a negative declination towards such candidates in the name of diversity. My request to all the MBA institutes, please do not discriminate, just measure on the basis on Merit. All had the same avenue to get through the exam. |
stilhope | #6 December 01, 2010, 8:06 pm Well i do not wish to start a debate here.. but then 3-4 of my engineer friends joined B-schools just because they hated their jobs, or the amount of work they had to put in there or their shifts.. so, so much for the hard work part.. Engineers would rather work hard at the entrance exams than at their respective jobs.. Ultimately, all top B-schools are realizing the facts as to why they lag so far behind in the world rankings and so some much needed changes are now taking place.. Also, they jus throw away marks in engineering and u have ppl graduating from C- engineering colleges with 98%+(ridiculous).. well, atleast in my univ. even if u attempt the same paper 4 times in a year, u still wont get 90%.. neways it was just that ‘hard work’ part in one of the comments that put me off.. NOM Peace out!! |
himanshushah20 | #7 December 01, 2010, 8:15 pm “But unfortunately all the students who are getting good grades in XAT were engineers” man UNFORTUNATELY …. never thought we engineers are outcast. |
engineersunit | #8 December 01, 2010, 8:19 pm @stillhope Please do not generalize on the basis of the observation of small group of aspirants. Also let us not associate any Graduate stream with a particular trait. About your disheartening and stinging comment on quality of engineering colleges in India, it is also the case with other colleges. Please do not stereotype Engineering colleges. I hope you will agree. |
sujamait | #9 December 01, 2010, 8:53 pm fortune will never come into play in XAT. It’s “mother of all the exams”. |
first_timer | #10 December 01, 2010, 8:59 pm engineers don’t work hard, they just get lucky in the exams. Unfortunate indeed. and yes, it’s sarcasm. |
first_timer | #11 December 01, 2010, 9:01 pm and what’s the point in saying NOM, when it’s bound to offend. Seriously, don’t understand this. |
sunil251 | #12 December 01, 2010, 9:55 pm @first_timer: I second that!! |
maddyfc | #13 December 01, 2010, 10:05 pm Well these people are real slow seeing the trend in top b-schools around the world i mean they should have thought of diversifying years ago and still they are pondering over the issue of how to reduce the intake of engineers..well till they bring a solution its unlikely any university will even come close to being compared to world best and its high time they take some decisive measures… |
lingaraj padhy | #14 December 01, 2010, 10:06 pm The stand taken on the batch diversity is absolutely ridiculous.Don’t understand the strategy at all. |
maddyfc | #15 December 01, 2010, 10:13 pm Its high time people get the point straight that only engineers cant contribute to the economy we need varied view points which these institutes will get from a diversified intake from humanities and commerce and follow a certain premeditated format..and all those proprieting the view of working hard and deserved winners and born geniuses well they should thank the Indian Education system… |
anonymous:) | #16 December 01, 2010, 10:15 pm brilliant initiative.. its really heartening to see such opinions.. “After all its not just an Engineer-Mba thing”. Would fill XIMB in any case |
stilhope | #17 December 01, 2010, 10:18 pm @maddyfc.. very well said..!! +1 |
rudranilghosh | #18 December 01, 2010, 10:41 pm Even though I’m an engineer, i feel batch diversity is indeed needed to expand our horizon of ideas, way of thinking and approach to life as a whole… |
panchananmishra | #19 December 01, 2010, 10:55 pm every good instt. tries to setup a versity of its own …. ? why it is so man ….? more over … why they are running behind the engg. grads now a dayz…? it seems that in the name of diversity they will do some injustice to engg. grads. in the forthcoming interviews……? lets hope good…. |
engineersunit | #20 December 01, 2010, 11:25 pm @maddyfc Now now, one cannot blame “Indian Education System” for a “Aptitude Exam” held for “Graduates”!!! Forced diversity at the cost of Merit, I do not think so!! |
maddyfc | #21 December 01, 2010, 11:46 pm @engineer: well as far as being sentimental and protective we sub-continental ppl top the list and so its natural of yours but as far as reforms go one should look at a larger picture would our institutes be well off with just engineers or people from overtly diversed background if former had been case there would have been no need to change policy..but growing trend suggests otherwise..as far as merit goes i dont think they are any less deserving with few inches here and there.. |
maddyfc | #22 December 01, 2010, 11:50 pm @engineer as far as IES goes its but natural as you sow shall you reap…are these institutes autonomous??? |
abhiworld169 | #23 December 01, 2010, 11:56 pm I am an IT Engineer and working in Reputed Top 5 IT company of India. I agree with stillhope and maddyfc that batch diversity is essential in a good B-school. A batch full of engineers will have moreover a same kinda mindset and attitude towards problems faced by today’s organizations. Most of the engineers opting for an MBA today are coz of watching other people do it,so they also decide do it without applying their own mind and heart as to Why they themselves want to do an MBA irrespective of whether their friends are doing it or not. Engineers today need to change this attitude. I understand the type of thinking that goes on in an engineer’s mind….I am not complaining but just expressing my concern. Also enginners tend to hate their job in nearly periods of their careers which is not the case with other graduates. IT companies witness the maximum attrition rate and almost 5-10K employees would easily resign from any of the top Indian IT company. |
lingaraj padhy | #24 December 02, 2010, 12:28 am @abhiworld169 I dont agree when you say engineers opt for mba by seeing others.Probably you might agree then that people are becoming engineers by seeing others.Mostly it depends on individual interest than anything else.There are so may factors responsible for an successful IT engineer like you(If I may say so) opting for an MBA(assuming ur intrstd in MBA coz you are on PG).Coming to the batch diversity its a very debatable issue and I have my reservations.Exams are conducted and the best people should get the nod irrespective a engineer or non-engineer.What I fear is there shouldn’t be any bias in the GD-PI rounds harping diversity as the reason. |
lingaraj padhy | #25 December 02, 2010, 12:33 am @abhiworld169 FYI I am also an IT engineer working for a top IT company for over last 3 years.Also leaving jobs for MBA constitutes a very small percentage of the attrition population(Mostly switch to other IT companies for better opportunity,growth and compensation) |
engineersunit | #26 December 02, 2010, 12:39 am Time and again, folks here are mentioning an utterly incomprehensible “Fact” that “Engineers” think alike. Is it a self-made feel-justified theory? Every human being thinks differently and thus the adage, “As many heads, that many minds”. Reasoning and out-of-the-box thought process is not an academic periphery but develops uniquely for each individual. If this is so then do all the school educated Indians think the same  . (Oh you are CBSE, then you must know what I am thinking  ha ha ).As for the rhetoric reasoning that “Fed-up-IT-engineers” are not interested in their job is a completely misplaced in this context! Folks, IT industry has high attrition not because the employees do not love their job, but since there is a perpetual availability of one or the other opportunity with higher packages which is bound to create hamper(in the present job) and scamper(to the next job). Let us talk sense now. |
engineersunit | #27 December 02, 2010, 12:43 am Engineers are not army of Robots with same programming code running in them. Each engineer is a unique individual. Let us not say that diversity comes through educational background. If it had been true then after an MBA any ways we all are going to have the same qualification :p . Then do we become redundant!!! What an idea Sir ji… |
Jishnu | #28 December 02, 2010, 12:49 am @maddyfc,@stilhope and @abhiworld169: I dont understand why people tend to forget one simple point – in India most of the toppers at secondary level (I can easily say more that 80%) opt for science in senior secondary and their obvious choice thereafter is ‘engineering’. Some go to the IITs some to the NITs and a lot more to the other good govt engg colleges and the rest to the private engg colleges. This is solely because of the peer pressure and the pressure from parents. An indian kid has to opt for engineering(havent u seen three idiots!!) .Now if you see the staistics of the no. of persons applying for MBA exams and clrearing them, you will find an overwhelming number of these engineers. Thats simply because the number of engineers in India is huge. Take a hypothetical example: 1000 students are called for GD/PI for 100 seats. And say the college wants a 50:50 ‘diversification’. Now it may well turn out that 900 of these students called for GD/PI are engineers and merely 100 are non-engineers (I am not exaggerating..this is the fact! This is how it is and they cant change it by simply giving more weightage to english, because engineers will still be the frontrunners just because of their sheer number). So do you think the college can find 50 deserving non-engineering candidates from a sample set of 100?? Thats ridiculous!! Hence even if IIML or XIMB try to “FORCE” diversify, they wont be able to!! The only way to diversify is to stop the fanatic race for engineering right after 12th. There is no other way. P.S: One of my friend joined IIML in 2010. He informed that more than 90% of the batch are engineers. P.P.S: Even at ISB (ranked 15 in the world) has an overwhelming no of engineers in its batch. This is the scenario in all the premier B-schools and its not going to change soon. |
Jishnu | #29 December 02, 2010, 12:51 am Please note: The last line should be: This is the scenario in all the premier INDIAN B-schools and its not going to change soon. |
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